AUTO-DIA-2: How To Produce Solidarity With Iraq?
Note: originally published in Iraq Information and Discussion List.
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Sunday, Dec. 2, 2007
Dear Sumerian,
> Dear Mr. Dr. Anwar;
Thank you for taking time and replying carefully. No need for Dear, Mr and Dr. That sounds silly. Just "Anwar," or "Dear Anwar," , that would be enough.
> > I am replying to your message along the subjects as they occur. I am taking this approach because there are a lot of troubles in the PC setup / Yahoo / Windows which makes quoting a nightmare. >
I understand. Yahoo is a silly enterprise. They add their silly ads to the messages causing a lot of trouble when trying to quote the original message. I usually have to apply two or three additional measures in order to be able to quote and reply to a message.
> However I want to highlight that at the end of your message you mentioned that I was throwing subjects you didn’t discuss. That means I may not have understood your message well.
> > A)There was no informal statement in my message but only the address. I never thought that that was a concern to you. I was deeply upset from the way you stated this because I feel this meant to create a conflict in favor of some members in here.than to express a concern. >
It disappoints me that you, after being on this list for years, you still think that I could engage in such cheap stupid conspiracies against some list members in favor of others. Others might think I am appeasing you. Both suspicions are unfounded. For me, you are all valued list members. Some of you cause more trouble than others, but that is the nature of life and I am here to deal with that. Iraq list is a noble list where we all try to make it a good space for exchange and information. Sometimes we fail, but we always try and never give up. Conspiracies, cheap tricks, dirty maneuvers are not the style of Iraq list.
> B)I don’t discuss the gay matter with you because of two matters: > 1- It is not a major issue of cur rent concern on any level. I mean inside this group, in the news or on any other news level. > 2- I will never agree with you on this subject. My position was very clear since several years back. We don’t need to insist discussing subjects that we can never but only disagree about or argue about.
I agree. Gay issues are currently not major issues. I was also telling you that you can have your own opinion and you don´t need to change it. I was only telling you that you can`t use the list to insult anyone, be it gay or Shiate or Sunni or "Shroog" (the name you use for poor strata of Shiates) or the English or American peoples in their totality without differentiating between them and their governments that have conducted wars and colonial policies. Why? Because such wholesale condemnation goes against an important principle of this list: respect of human rights.
> > C) I read your message and replied to the best of my understanding, and I am doing now here too. >
OK.
> D) No one stated that there was a naughty nation, but they ( The Americans and UK) all did it on Iraq to mean that. There is no value of not saying something while someone do it. > > E) My personal readings on history gave me strong conclusions in the matter of criminalizing the majority of English, but not a nation. >
Neither the majority, nor the whole nation. Governments, the system, the politicians, that is another story and perspective. Read my previous comment above.
> F) English are the backbone of the British Empire. They created Britain and called it Great. That name is very confusing indeed. They are the first people who created confusion in history and politics. The British Empire is the result of the English efforts. Non of the nations which created Britain wanted Britain. That is why they are now all trying to liberate themselves.
I understand. That can be discussed. But, as a principle, do not condemn whole peoples. If you follow that principle, your arguments will be more convincing.
> > G) Removed after review > > H) Regarding feeling "loyal" to people if they gave me shelter and if I disagree with them: That sounds right at the first glance, but if you look deep in it ( I mean this is my interpretation); then I have another conclusion: I can’t sell my principles for what soever reasons the other side assisted me in one stage or even if he built me from scratch. Principles are more important than people. That is my concept.*
You should never give up your principles, but be flexible and open to modify and change principles. Legitimate principles are norms for the individual to direct and orient his interaction with others so that life can offer the best possible conditions of justice and equality to all, including that individual himself. In fact, principles are not more important than people. On the contrary, people are more important, because people, interaction with people, is the space for the application of principles. Principles in the head of an individual are nothing but nice formulations of rules and maxims. There is nothing sacred or religious about principles. They have no life of their own. They wake up and come to life when they are applied to the relation with others. There, they have to prove to be legitimate and worthwhile. The major evaluation criteria of their usefulness is that they should promote justice and equality among people. If they don´t do that, they are either wrong or worthless.
> *As you can see from the above, that we can go along with all subjects, and we may end up discussing what I think about everything in life than our concern in here which is the Iraqi file and issues.
I understand.
> > I) I live in Al Basra Gulf in the intension of living in New Zealand. Plans may change.
Thank you for the information. I wish you all the best for your plans.
> J) When I read, I then THINK. That gives me the power to judge. > > K) I don’t know if I didn’t learn. However I try to do that always > I understand. > L) There is nothing inhuman in proposing to humanizing others.However I am not imposing that, nor I am suggesting it. but rather I am reply only. It looks beneficial to remind everyone in here that 2 million Iraqis lost their lives while others were trying to educate us how to be humans.
I understand. As to the two millions and the destruction of Iraq, you remember that I have written about that many times. In short, we should never forget and never give up working towards:
a) Full condemnation of those responsible for aggression and destruction through legal procedures in both Iraqi and international courts of justice.
b) Full compensation for all the pain, harm and destruction inflicted upon Iraq.
However, you have to work hard, for years and maybe decades to achieve that. You have, in particular, to convince the peoples of the countries whose governments have caused the destruction of Iraq. But you can´t win them on your side if your are only condemning them, all of them, for what few of them have done.
Thanks,
Anwar